I thought it was fairly well established that waterboarding is torture. Well, now that a couple of conservative blowhards agreed to actually experience it, we can all rest assured that it really is torture and not simply the latest socialist fantasy dreamed up by President Obama and his legions of anti-United States, terrorist minions.
Yeah, I’m a tad cynical about these latest ploys. Seems like a plan to backpedal to me.
“Oh, we didn’t really know that it was torture. How could we until we got some conservative white dudes to go through it?”
Because, of course, nothing is true until a couple of conservative white dudes experience it.
And while I am saddened that anyone has had to experience this type of torture (even if it’s to try and prove a point that can’t be proven, for political gain), I just gotta say, I’m not impressed when you have the get out of jail free card at your disposal. Neither Hitchens or Muller have a clue about what it really means to be waterboarded. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m guessing that most of the interrogated tortured don’t get to call a time out within 6-14 seconds.
I’m not impressed, but if it makes more people realize how fucked up some of the things we, as a nation, do? Well, I can’t be mad at that.
Ha, not to mention the complete ignoring of the fact that torture has a large psychological element completely omitted in the voluntary version?
My reaction was pretty much exactly yours, and as you say it’s better than nothing I suppose. :\
Exactly. The guy in the Hitchens clip talking about fifteen on, fifteen off, then *thirty* on, fifteen off is kind of chilling, given how quickly both the white dudes reported it becoming unbearable.
umm, screwed up my tags, sorry
Fixed.