Comments on: We Are Witnessing Ourselves http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/ Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:35:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: FINALLY: Combining and distorting a meme does not mean I was not touched to be tagged « Chicks Dig Me http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2943 FINALLY: Combining and distorting a meme does not mean I was not touched to be tagged « Chicks Dig Me Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:00:31 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2943 [...] know there are a lot of reasons *why* Kevin’s statements in this post end up being so inflammatory for so many people, instead of simple to see and accept.  [...] [...] know there are a lot of reasons *why* Kevin’s statements in this post end up being so inflammatory for so many people, instead of simple to see and accept.  [...]

]]> By: DaisyDeadhead http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2920 DaisyDeadhead Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:53:10 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2920 Great post, Kevin! Of course you are right... but what's scary is when you meet two opposing views about sexism/racism/etc that purport to be right... like those two Captain Kirks: THAT's sexist, no THAT's sexist!: "I'm the real Captain Kirk, kill the impostor!!!!" (see porn wars for more!) Sylvia's recent take on Michael Eric Dyson, for instance, brought me up a bit short. Well, <i>who is right?</i> Him or her? BOTH? NEITHER? <i>Yow!</i> Admitting this stuff is the easy part, then we actually <i>have to come up with ideas on our own,</i> or we will totally BELONG to whoever pushes those buttons in us. We have to learn to analyze stuff ourselves and not rely only on our ideological and political gurus--they can (and often do) fail us. AA is an excellent analogy, because you know, I had to do the exact same thing there, too. ;) <abbr><em><abbr><em>DaisyDeadhead ´s last blog post..<a href="http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2008/10/merl-saunders-1934-2008.html" rel="nofollow">Merl Saunders 1934-2008</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> Great post, Kevin!

Of course you are right… but what’s scary is when you meet two opposing views about sexism/racism/etc that purport to be right… like those two Captain Kirks: THAT’s sexist, no THAT’s sexist!: “I’m the real Captain Kirk, kill the impostor!!!!” (see porn wars for more!)

Sylvia’s recent take on Michael Eric Dyson, for instance, brought me up a bit short. Well, who is right? Him or her? BOTH? NEITHER? Yow!

Admitting this stuff is the easy part, then we actually have to come up with ideas on our own, or we will totally BELONG to whoever pushes those buttons in us. We have to learn to analyze stuff ourselves and not rely only on our ideological and political gurus–they can (and often do) fail us.

AA is an excellent analogy, because you know, I had to do the exact same thing there, too. ;)

DaisyDeadhead ´s last blog post..Merl Saunders 1934-2008

]]> By: SnowdropExplodes http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2916 SnowdropExplodes Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:27:19 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2916 "As a man, it is difficult to come to terms with the fact that I have been socially constructed to be a sexist, and that is what I am. I care deeply about the well-being of all women, but there is no getting beyond this simple fact." I am curious as to what makes you believe you are still a sexist? “As a man, it is difficult to come to terms with the fact that I have been socially constructed to be a sexist, and that is what I am. I care deeply about the well-being of all women, but there is no getting beyond this simple fact.”

I am curious as to what makes you believe you are still a sexist?

]]> By: Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2008-10-31 http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2915 Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2008-10-31 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:31:00 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2915 [...] We Are Witnessing Ourselves | A Slant Truth "I think you get the picture, even if, right now you are vehemently wanting to challenge me on these statements. And I understand, really. As a man, it is difficult to come to terms with the fact that I have been socially constructed to be a sexist, and that is what I am. I care deeply about the well-being of all women, but there is no getting beyond this simple fact. [...] [...] We Are Witnessing Ourselves | A Slant Truth "I think you get the picture, even if, right now you are vehemently wanting to challenge me on these statements. And I understand, really. As a man, it is difficult to come to terms with the fact that I have been socially constructed to be a sexist, and that is what I am. I care deeply about the well-being of all women, but there is no getting beyond this simple fact. [...]

]]> By: Amber Rhea http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2914 Amber Rhea Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:53:41 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2914 Great post Kevin. And, I agree w/ donna darko that *all* people in our society internalize sexism, racism, ableism, etc. Sure the ways in which they manifest can be different, but we see women perpetuating sexism against other women (slut-shaming, etc.) and others perpetuating oppression against their own group. It's one of the nastiest things about -isms to me. <abbr><em><abbr><em>Amber Rhea ´s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BeingAmberRhea/~3/437640708/" rel="nofollow">Twitter updates for 2008-10-30</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> Great post Kevin. And, I agree w/ donna darko that *all* people in our society internalize sexism, racism, ableism, etc. Sure the ways in which they manifest can be different, but we see women perpetuating sexism against other women (slut-shaming, etc.) and others perpetuating oppression against their own group. It’s one of the nastiest things about -isms to me.

Amber Rhea ´s last blog post..Twitter updates for 2008-10-30

]]> By: {on containing multitudes} | The Republic of Dogs http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2908 {on containing multitudes} | The Republic of Dogs Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:25:48 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2908 [...] on October 29, 2008 in Doing the right thing and Serious pants. Kevin of A Slant Truth has a great post up today: There are, in my view, certain things that I feel are socially constructed into the minds of us [...] [...] on October 29, 2008 in Doing the right thing and Serious pants. Kevin of A Slant Truth has a great post up today: There are, in my view, certain things that I feel are socially constructed into the minds of us [...]

]]> By: msladydeborah http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2893 msladydeborah Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:11:06 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2893 How you doin'! Your statements make sense to me. I have to say that in reality you are probably more on point than many people in our society would care to admit. You present an interesting perspective on the "isms" and how they should be viewed. <abbr><em><abbr><em>msladydeborah ´s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/SUCP/~3/434142925/am-i-not-human.html" rel="nofollow">Am I Not Human?</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> How you doin’!

Your statements make sense to me. I have to say that in reality you are probably more on point than many people in our society would care to admit.

You present an interesting perspective on the “isms” and how they should be viewed.

msladydeborah ´s last blog post..Am I Not Human?

]]> By: smadin http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2892 smadin Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:26:24 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2892 <blockquote>All PEOPLE are racist, sexist, homophobic and ablist.</blockquote> Hm. I mean, I agree — we're all part of this culture, we've all absorbed these toxins we're soaking in — but surely the <em>ways</em> we internalize these things depend on which side(s) of them we're on, and thus the ways we have to guard against them are different? <abbr><em><abbr><em>smadin ´s last blog post..<a href="http://smadin.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/no-on-question-1/" rel="nofollow">No on Question 1</a></em></abbr></abbr></em>

All PEOPLE are racist, sexist, homophobic and ablist.

Hm. I mean, I agree — we’re all part of this culture, we’ve all absorbed these toxins we’re soaking in — but surely the ways we internalize these things depend on which side(s) of them we’re on, and thus the ways we have to guard against them are different?

smadin ´s last blog post..No on Question 1

]]> By: donna darko http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2889 donna darko Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:53:55 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2889 All PEOPLE are racist, sexist, homophobic and ablist. All PEOPLE are racist, sexist, homophobic and ablist.

]]> By: smadin http://slanttruth.com/2008/10/27/we-are-witnessing-ourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-2888 smadin Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:09 +0000 http://slanttruth.com/?p=723#comment-2888 This is a great, great post. Thank you. Like Melissa, I say "Yes." My <em>fist</em>, sir. It is <em>in the air</em>. (I've commented before about my preference for using "racist," "sexist," etc. as adjectives instead of nouns, and that's a quibble anyway; my reasons for it have to do with getting at the same issue you address here.) <abbr><em><abbr><em>smadin ´s last blog post..<a href="http://smadin.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/no-on-question-1/" rel="nofollow">No on Question 1</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> This is a great, great post. Thank you.

Like Melissa, I say “Yes.” My fist, sir. It is in the air.

(I’ve commented before about my preference for using “racist,” “sexist,” etc. as adjectives instead of nouns, and that’s a quibble anyway; my reasons for it have to do with getting at the same issue you address here.)

smadin ´s last blog post..No on Question 1

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